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ItsJustMe · Jan 11, 2011, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Is there a better night/time for gvg?

My guild tried this the other night and were matched up twice in a matter of 45 minutes with much higher ranked groups. Both matches ended rather quickly.

No QQ here, but it would be nice to play against folks closer to our rank.

Maybe someone ambitious enough might roll up a poll to see when everyone plays (nights/times) and what rank they are? It'd be nice to try to condense folks into one or two nights where matches would come quicker.

-i

Allured_Mage · Jan 12, 2011, 12:21 AM // 00:21

As a player that started GW in May 09, I already have quite the disadvantage. While I'm willing to get into pvp, the abuse I hear of is quite effective at killing what interest I have/had in it. Especially some of the stuff my guild leader has to go through. I'm in college now so GW time is even more restricted. I feel that I literally lack the time pvp to become good at it. Being in a small guild doesn't help things, or being unequiped for pvp format.

I honestly do want to get into pvp more. Not just for rank/prizes(Which are nice), but for the fun factor. I still find PvE fun, possibly because I'm still "new" compared to many players, and I just got EotN on the recent holiday. Though a main reason I want to be good at it is so that I'll be able to play alongside my guild leader in serious competition.

ItsJustMe · Jan 12, 2011, 12:38 AM // 00:38

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Originally Posted by Allured_Mage

As a player that started GW in May 09, I already have quite the disadvantage. While I'm willing to get into pvp, the abuse I hear of is quite effective at killing what interest I have/had in it. ...

I have to say I rarely take any abuse during/after a match. It's been the most friendly *by far* of any pvp format I've played in. To the contrary, the two matches I was in the other day, our opponents 'gg'd' us.

I think the abuse gets blown out of proportion, but I can only speak for myself.

-i

Lanier · Jan 12, 2011, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Allured_Mage

As a player that started GW in May 09, I already have quite the disadvantage. While I'm willing to get into pvp, the abuse I hear of is quite effective at killing what interest I have/had in it.

As I understand it, GvG is the format where the least amount of "abuse" takes place. Most of the "abuse" is concentrated in RA.

Rob Roy The Divine · Jan 12, 2011, 05:34 AM // 05:34

from my experience, GvG is the best part of the game.

Just now with all the skill updates, it's probably the most balanced it's been since about '08 imho. You've not really got any "imba" teambuilds (apart from maybe 1 or 2 running invoke spike)

I've been in my guild [BAAA] since 07, and we've always had the mentality of "everyone's gotta start somewhere, no matter who you are." and we've had recruitment pages on guru and teamquitter for year advertising the guild.

TBH the main reason imo that nobody GvG's is there is no incentive. RA has glad points for winning, HA has a chest for winning, and PvE has all the cool items and "MONIEZZ!!11!!"

All GvG has is champ points, but only if your in a certain range, and you have to play other guilds in that range... Bring back what tehy do at wintersday where everyone get 10 pressies... or even if you win your gvg you get a zaishen key... maybe bring the intrest back.

/inb4deadgameisdeadpost

Missing HB · Jan 12, 2011, 08:20 AM // 08:20

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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe

Is there a better night/time for gvg?

Euro evenings. I was told that between 8pm-11pm gmt there are a bit more guilds playing ladder , and it seems that you only have to wait about 15-20mn for a fight ( less when it's zquest). But well , it's quite hard to make a poll in my opinion , because it relies on pure luck , especially past 11pm gmt:
- Your guild is the only one in and waiting for 40mn
- Y guild just go in and get a match vs you instantly
-> So you will say : 40mn for a fight , Y will say we get fights instantly , whereas it's the same hour....

The Baphomet · Jan 19, 2011, 02:35 AM // 02:35

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Originally Posted by Lanier

As I understand it, GvG is the format where the least amount of "abuse" takes place.

We take guildies quite often just so they can have fun. They have been around a long time, and although they play with their brains turned off, we don't mind. I am talking about people who guardian invoke spikes. We explained roles, tricks, and tips carefully and still people screw around like its pve.

With our semi flexible core gvgers, we were doing HA one day. The map was antechamber. 2 enemies ran in to capture our base as two teammates ressurected on our base with me. The two who ressed ran straight off. I was honestly confounded. This is why we only play lame. (not an isolated incident)

But its 2011 so who cares. The lack of competitive nature of pvp means that pvers can win also. And yes, I didn't check the post date, but ALL forms of pvp are dead, save RA which is less active.

/end rant

edit: I think if pvp was all 8v8 with no objectives we'd do okay.

[Assorted] Bon Bons · Jan 19, 2011, 11:31 PM // 23:31

I wanted to reiterate what others have said - the GvG community is extremely friendly and helpful for the most part - particularly if you approach some of the well known players politely. For example I sent Angra a message in game, just to thank him for his work on the recent GvG commentaries, and we had a nice little chat. When I played with KiSu Asp, Lemming, Demigod, and many other high end players generously guested for us, and were all very friendly and approachable (Many thanks to them all, and all the others who helped us out that I haven't mentioned here, as always).

Oddly, sometimes the worst behavior is actually from your own team - not that they're being abusive, but when a group of new players is trying to learn together sometimes tempers flare and patience runs out - people can get snippy. Just make sure you're playing with a chill group of people who are prepared to lose a lot but still have some fun, and it should be an enjoyable experience.

The issue with learning GvG is really that there's a mighty learning curve, and frankly it's most enjoyable when your team is doing well - the actual process of learning is pretty grueling, frankly. I don't want to turn anyone off it, though - if you stick with it, it's incredibly rewarding. Looking back I have nothing but good memories of my time in GvG - in hindsight none of it feels like wasted time or useless frustration, I was always learning something or having fun in one way or another, even if I wasn't always winning.

shinta_himura · Feb 26, 2011, 08:44 PM // 20:44

I would love to start GvGing, but I have one question that really worries me.

Is it ok if I just install Ventrilo/Teamspeak and listen to the team, or is it mandatory for me to speak? Because I don't have a mic and really am not too comfortable speaking over the net, even if I had one.

I think we should start a league of newer GvG guilds, and list some names of these guilds here or in another thread. I have zero contacts in Guild Wars and I need a place to start.

Avatar of Healing · Feb 26, 2011, 09:25 PM // 21:25

@ Shinta

its pretty much mandatory for you to speak, buy a mic because it makes gvg easier.

shinta_himura · Feb 27, 2011, 12:15 AM // 00:15

Ok, well, good game.

Good luck with your GvG

Tearz1993 · Mar 01, 2011, 01:15 AM // 01:15

you don't really need to speak, it's just helpful. especially when learning, the only reason I can think of where speaking would be really important would be the team chat being the same place as the targetting spam, making it impossible to read.

tealspikes · Mar 01, 2011, 07:41 PM // 19:41

If a player cannot speak, the team should not be running a split build (lol who does that anymore), and the player should not be put on a role that has major reponsibilities outside of the main team (flagger, ranger, base ganker, etc).

Relics Wife · Mar 22, 2011, 05:36 PM // 17:36

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Originally Posted by The PvP Community

The obvious solution is to put yourself out there, rank doesnt matter to GvG players, they just want you to show willingness to learn from your mistakes, everyone makes mistakes, but if you correct them and make less and less each game then you will be accepted into the GvG community very easily.

I have 2 or 3 guilds in my alliance that dont care about rank, we are looking for palyers willing to learn. PM relic Hellfire or Dayita Godess and we can get you with a guild needing players.

xb0vv · Mar 22, 2011, 06:23 PM // 18:23

They are all waiting for gw2, thats why.

ShaJiexi · Mar 23, 2011, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Some of us have just been left behind by the times. I'm in LOL (some of you may remember us from years back), and used to be in BBQ (the original, captained by Eve), played with iGi and was a founder of Fish (the original Euro farmers!) and tended to have lots of fun in PvP. I stopped for college before Nightfall release, and have just started playing in the last ~6 months.

What I have found is that it is nearly impossible to get back into PvP. I don't want to leave my guild, as venerable as it is, even though I'm the only active player left (our guild leader logs in every month or so, a couple log in every couple weeks- none have logged in in the past week). My friends list is completely empty- every PvPer I might have once hit up for guest invites is inactive. So, I'm shut out of GvG.

So, what about Halls? I'm only r5, as I was a serious GvGer only. I left at the same time as GvG titles were implemented, so I only have a couple of champion points, hardly enough for title flashing. r5 is not enough for any group in HoH- I only got that through our GvG groups going halls when we were scared shitless of WM or Te or the Finns and went to HoH instead. Won Halls plenty of times, but there's no way any of that will get me into a group that might later guest me for GvG.

Plus, I need to update my skillset- I used to play utility/cripshot flaggers/sin splits (never badass enough to monk or war at high levels, though I monked for Fish sometimes). Even if I do, my PvE toons are geared with PvP equipment from ages ago- I don't have a full selection of +10 vs. everything shields (though I could roll one as a PvP char, yar!).

So, I would LOVE to GvG. But how does one GvG without people to GvG with? It takes time and discipline to put together a decent GvG crew, and a willingness to say "no" to PvEers who just can't hack it. Most casual/PvE guilds can't handle that. And most PvPers aren't going to take someone like me along who hasn't proven themselves.

So, count me as another former PvPer who is simply grinding out (PvE) titles for a max HoM for GW2. And really wishes he could PvP again. Even with all the rage and drama.

infi · Mar 23, 2011, 08:53 AM // 08:53

As the serious player you might know that a friend list means much more then tittles so you have to build up it again.

Missing HB · Mar 23, 2011, 09:13 AM // 09:13

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Originally Posted by infi

As the serious player you might know that a friend list means much more then tittles so you have to build up it again.

It's still hard to rebuild a flist in a dying game , especially if it's for PvP. Most players are just raging after 1 lose....

Cursed by Grenth · Mar 23, 2011, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Because putting a motivated 8 man party together is hard.
Because the casual players doesnt want to wait for this to happen.
Because every casual player gets their asses owned.
Because losing all the time isn't fun.

Most casual players just dont want to wait it out, but on the other hand, if you go in without too much preperation, youre just gonna get owned.

ShaJiexi · Mar 24, 2011, 07:08 AM // 07:08

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Originally Posted by infi

As the serious player you might know that a friend list means much more then tittles so you have to build up it again.

I also know how much harder it is to build up that flist (more importantly, to have other people put you on their flist). And the rewards (beyond the fun of owning people in tournaments) isn't worth that effort, in general. I've been obbing to get a feel for the meta, and it seems like the top GvG guilds have full tournament rosters anyway, and it doesn't seem like there's much competition the next tier down. If anyone is trying to create/train up a new GvG squad that wants to compete in the tourneys, I'd be down. But it just doesn't seem like anyone thinks the rewards match the effort involved. Unless you are the winner of the AT, at least.